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Simorgh
01-06-2007, 11:08 AM
History of Anatolia
The History of Anatolia covers the civilizations, and states established in and around the Anatolia, a peninsula of Western Asia. It is also often called by the Latin name of Asia Minor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Anatolia
Simorgh
01-06-2007, 11:12 AM
Neolithic
Because of its strategic location at the intersection of Asia and Europe, Anatolia has been a cradle for several civilizations since prehistoric ages, with Neolithic settlements such as Çatalhöyük (Pottery Neolithic), Çayönü (Pre-Pottery Neolithic A to pottery Neolithic), Nevali Cori (Pre-Pottery Neolithic B), Hacilar (Pottery Neolithic), Göbekli Tepe (Pre-Pottery Neolithic A) and Mersin. The settlement of Troy starts in the Neolithic and continues forward into the Iron Age.
Bronze Age
Troy, Hittite Empire, Hayasa-Azzi, Colchians, Hattians, Kaskas
Through recorded history, Anatolians have spoken both Indo-European and Semitic languages, as well as many languages of uncertain affiliation. In fact, given the antiquity of the Indo-European Hittite and Luwian languages, some scholars have proposed Anatolia as the hypothetical center from which the Indo-European languages have radiated. Other authors have proposed an Anatolian origin for the Etruscans of ancient Italy.
Iron Age
Neo-Hittite, Urartu, Achaemenid dynasty,
Peoples who have settled in or conquered Anatolia during the Iron Age include the Phrygians, Lydians, Mushki, Cimmerians, Armenians, Persians, Tabals, Greeks, Macedonians, Lycians, Cappadocians, Assyrians, Carians, the so-called Sea Peoples, Phoenicians, Jews, Romans
Middle Ages
Byzantine Empire, Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, Sassanid Empire, Byzantine-Arab Wars, Seljuk Turks, Anatolian beyliks, Mongols, Ilkhanate
Ottoman Empire
The conquest of Anatolia by Turkic peoples and the rise of the Seljuk Empire began in the 11th century. However, it was gradual. The complete Ottoman Empire conquest of Anatolia was finalized with the 1453 conquest of Constantinople/today: Istanbul.
Anatolia remained multi-ethnic until the early 20th century (see Rise of Nationalism under the Ottoman Empire). Its inhabitants belonged to many ethnicities such as Turks (Turkmens), Armenians, Kurds, Greeks, and Italians (particularly from Genoa and Venice).
It was also multi-religious with its inhabitants espousing many religious beliefs such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. In particular, many Jews emigrated from Spain and Portugal, after the expulsion of Jews and Muslims during the 1492 Christian Reconquista of Spain.
Modern
History of the Republic of Turkey :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republic_of_Turkey
A population exchange, as result of the Treaty of Lausanne, between Turkey and Greece eliminated the majority of Turks in Greece and Greeks in Turkey. A significant Kurdish ethnic and linguistic minority exists in the south eastern regions, while Laz people and Georgians have a significant presence in the northeast.
Timeline
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/bb9e11102f54bde2250145be03d4b7bc.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Anatolia
payam
01-06-2007, 11:58 AM
hey heyyyyyyyyyy...............saljuk is not an otman empire.....so leave it
Simorgh
01-06-2007, 12:11 PM
hey heyyyyyyyyyy...............saljuk is not an otman empire.....so leave it
Payam jan, Ottoman and Seljuk empires are both given green collors because they were islamic states.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/bb9e11102f54bde2250145be03d4b7bc.png
payam
01-06-2007, 05:45 PM
aha:D yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa;)
Xerxes
01-06-2007, 08:42 PM
The graph is intresting ... how come it is mentioned the Sassanid ruled Asia Minor, they only did when Khusru II conquered it from the Caesars of Constanintople. and how come the Achemnids is not colored the same color as Sassnides.
@Simorgh .. do u have a similiar graph for Israel-Palestine .. thanks in advance
dogukan
01-07-2007, 03:43 AM
Payam,
Seljuks are Turk
Ottomans are Turk
Turkey is Turk
Uzbekistan is mostly Turk
Half of the Kazakhstan is Turk
Azerbeycan is arguable
Kyrgizistan is Turk
Turkmenistan is Turk
You're a Turk
and all of these are minoriteis of Turks,they're all from different clans
Seljuks are not Ottomans but they're Turks.Ottomans are successors of Byzantine and Seljuks
Therefore Seljuks and Ottomans are ethnically same
Where did Ottomans came from then?From the ground?
payam
01-07-2007, 03:54 AM
Payam,
Seljuks are Turk
Ottomans are Turk
Turkey is Turk
Uzbekistan is mostly Turk
Half of the Kazakhstan is Turk
Azerbeycan is arguable
Kyrgizistan is Turk
Turkmenistan is Turk
You're a Turk
and all of these are minoriteis of Turks,they're all from different clans
Seljuks are not Ottomans but they're Turks.Ottomans are successors of Byzantine and Seljuks
Therefore Seljuks and Ottomans are ethnically same
Where did Ottomans came from then?From the ground?
i didnt say ottomans came from ground.......but as i know the son of saljuks are now in iran....i realy accept that now days turkey is paying attention to turkish language and identety more than others....but it is not the reason to make other turkish dynast urself........for ex can american make the british history themself???or we have so many other example for it im so tired to say:)
in iran for nearly 800 years majority or better to say all dynast were turkish........but im sorry for ourself...here we are on pressure from 2 side: 1 pan farsism and some who are following them (its an ideology which borned in pahlavi persian dynast) and 2 is pan turks who are from base the supporter of turkey cuase it borned it there
all side are supporting thier own interst.....reality for them is not important
the reality is that in this country(iran) we have nearly 50% or more of population turk..........iran has so many races......persians are here too...they are our brother....thier population is 24 million(what all honest accepted )(but some meantion them 51 %of iran!!!!!!!i have so many reasons and fact to say how they are saying these lies)(they mention nearly 26 percent of turks all around iran as persian!!!!!!!!)(we have so many turk tribes in all states of iran vuillage to village but they mention them as persian!!!!!!!!!!!)even they mention azeris as non turk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we have so many problems here and insha allah we'll solve them........but at last as i know the turk tribes in iran are so so so much more than turkey....in the wrold iran is popular for the land of persian!!!!!!!!!!!and its wrong...its a british propaganda.....IRAN EXACLLY HAVE A TURKISH identity AND THOUSE WHO WANT TO WASH IT ARE:PAN FARS AND PAN TURKS IN TURKEY....nearly we have all turkish races here......dotn tell me the lists that pan turks wrrote about turksih groups....all jsut some stories.........
well to tell u why saljuks were iranian i must tell u a high anyliz list.....it needs so many historical anyliz but be sure saljuks were iranian dynast........in some case turks in turkey can call it themself too.....but in history they are some facts to call a dynast for a nation........saljuks are not the first iranian turkish dynast...as i said for nealy 800 years 90% of iranian dynast were turkish..........
kaiser_tr
01-07-2007, 06:55 AM
you're turks who settled in iran...we're turk who live in anatolia and there are many turks who still live in central asia...the key thing is we're all turk.we can be proud of our turk ancestors who lived in iran and of course you have right to be proud of other turkish dynastys in anatolia.
it doesnt matter which countrys flag you're living under.of course you will love your country.but it does not change the fact that we're all turk :)
Simorgh
01-07-2007, 07:11 AM
@Xerxes
As soon as I find one I will notify you bro.
:)
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The Persian empire were amongst several other empires who conqured Anatolia (todays turkey) in Iron age and Middle ages.
Simorgh
01-07-2007, 07:15 AM
Iranian Seljuq dynasty
The Seljuqs (in Turkish Selçuklular; in Persian سلجوقيان Saljūqiyān) were a Muslim dynasty of originally Oghuz Turkic descent that ruled parts of Central Asia and the Middle East. They set up an empire known as "Great Seljuk Empire" that stretched from Anatolia to Pakistan and was the target of the First Crusade. The dynasty marked the beginning of of Turkic power in the Middle East, and they are regarded as the cultural ancestors of the Western Turks, the present-day inhabitants of Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Turkmenistan. They are also remembered as great patrons of Persian culture, art, literature, and language.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Seldschuken-Reich-map.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuk_Turks
payam
01-07-2007, 07:16 AM
you're turks who settled in iran...we're turk who live in anatolia and there are many turks who still live in central asia...the key thing is we're all turk.we can be proud of our turk ancestors who lived in iran and of course you have right to be proud of other turkish dynastys in anatolia.
it doesnt matter which countrys flag you're living under.of course you will love your country.but it does not change the fact that we're all turk :)
yes but im not talking about this case my bro :) well at last thats true we are all turk and can be proud of each other's dynasties but im talknig about history...for sure turkish countries have no same history...maybe they have same history in some preiod of time but as we all know country to country we have diffrent stories........
Simorgh
01-07-2007, 07:21 AM
As a nationalist I am damn proud of the Saljūqiyān era, though they embraced and practiced the Persian culture, language and arts.
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"The Seljuk sultans used the Persian language in their administration and were patrons of Persian literature."
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/seljuk.htm
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payam
01-07-2007, 07:21 AM
Simorgh thanks.....yes that's true they are oghuz turks but its not against being iranian........also all the sign of history shows the realation of iranian art and culture with this dynasty.....even the persian was the language which they used for having conenction to all races.....anyway the sons of al-arselan are in iran:)
payam
01-07-2007, 07:26 AM
As a nationalist I am damn proud of the Saljūqiyān era, though they embraced and practiced the Persian culture, language and arts.
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"The Seljuk sultans used the Persian language in their administration and were patrons of Persian literature."
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/seljuk.htm
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if in all turkish countries and in thier language u can find persoian words its cuase of iranian turkish empires who were unite with all races......thye weer not rasist to tell other we are turk turk and u must deid cuase u are not turk....even the name of thier country was not turkey:roflmao3: :laugh4:
u can see all these empires full by iranian culture.......
also majority turkish countries were in the iran land befor....[azerbayjan republic/turkmenistan/kyrghizestan/kazaghestan/Uzbekistan..]......and have so so so so many same history peroid with iran......my brothers in turkey im not against u....but in reality turkey have no similairty with all turkish countries.....the only thing that turkey is using is language....but iran has so so so s so many cultural and historical similarities with them(cuase we always were as 1 nation)
even with so many non turkish countries too like amrmenian and georgian)georgian have realy an iranic culture i saw it by my eyes].......
also we nearly have majority turkish races in our country.....
if thouse stupid qajars didnt loos our country now we were moer and more and more greater than what we ar here....but there is nothing changed....the son of turkish heros are here.....im one of them:)
kaiser_tr
01-07-2007, 12:30 PM
actually its more related with geography.iran is closer to central asia then turkey.thats why its normal for iraniansto have more similarity with them.
in same way anatolian turks have lots of similaritys with balkan people and even greeks!!as you know whole balkan area was under ottoman rule for centruies and thats why we influenced them a lot.and if iran was in turkey's geographic position you could be the one to do this...
in conclusion;its good to be a turk:) its good to be a part of a such important,effective nation(better than being a luxemburgian i guess:) )
payam
01-07-2007, 12:49 PM
actually its more related with geography.iran is closer to central asia then turkey.thats why its normal for iraniansto have more similarity with them.
in same way anatolian turks have lots of similaritys with balkan people and even greeks!!as you know whole balkan area was under ottoman rule for centruies and thats why we influenced them a lot.and if iran was in turkey's geographic position you could be the one to do this...
in conclusion;its good to be a turk:) its good to be a part of a such important,effective nation(better than being a luxemburgian i guess:) )
ye s exaclly but as i know the geography of turkey is same close to caughcuase as iran...but im seeing all caughcuasian countris with iranic culture...(i were there and saw by eyes every side of it:)
yes u have same culture in many case by greeks and balkanians cuase they were in ur emperor and were 1 nation with u years ago....and we have so many same cultural things with cuaghcusian and central asians cuase they were in our emperor and we were 1 nation....so easy to get...........:xmas_emot3:
at last i think turkey and iran must see each other as brtoher not as enemy....this is the fact
Kardash
01-07-2007, 05:18 PM
As a nationalist I am damn proud of the Saljūqiyān era, though they embraced and practiced the Persian culture, language and arts.
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"The Seljuk sultans used the Persian language in their administration and were patrons of Persian literature."
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/seljuk.htm
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Not only Seljuks, Ottomans continued this tradition too. Many famous poems written by Ottoman Sultans are in Persian but the most unique ones are in Ottoman Turkish.
Xerxes
01-07-2007, 07:05 PM
the turks who came from central asia embraced the cultures and religion of the nations were they settled, much like the mongles.
the house of Osman played a definite rule in history of islam ... the Shah Ismail and the Safavids are actually persian-turks who made Shia a religion identity of Iran.
Kardash
01-08-2007, 06:10 AM
the house of Osman played a definite rule in history of islam ... the Shah Ismail and the Safavids are actually persian-turks who made Shia a religion identity of Iran.
an interesting note in our history is that shah Ismail is descentant of Uzun hasan wich he whas a member of ashina clan, the founders of Gök Türk and Khazar khanate...
payam
01-08-2007, 07:01 AM
the turks who came from central asia embraced the cultures and religion of the nations were they settled, much like the mongles.
the house of Osman played a definite rule in history of islam ... the Shah Ismail and the Safavids are actually persian-turks who made Shia a religion identity of Iran.
there is nothing called persian-turk
the safavids denasty were 100% turk.......from shah to soldiors...with a little reading u can get it......and thosue things are just pan farsis propagandas....but i cant care why they are doing this....why these stupid guys cant recognize us as iranian when we are nearly 800 years in this country
shah ismail and shah abbas and all thouse shahs had a very high attention to thier turkish identety..........just ask urself why shah abbas used us(qaraqunlos)in the top of dynasty and in all cases............the reason that so many turks are all around of iran is shah abbas and some shahs after him like afshar........cuase as we all know majority turks in that time were in cuaghcuase(like us) and in central asia...for ex shah abbas in his time used us in his dynasty as the head of corpa and army and as khan(lord) in every part of country(to control all races)...for ex in kurdistan for every kurdish village he inserted a turkish village(the turks who he moved from cuaghcuase and other regions) and so on same for all parts of iran...thats why if u move in iran and afghanestan u can see so many turks all around......
but the strange thing is that nowdays in thier list they mention us as persian/kurd/lur and ects!!!!!!!!!cuase we are in these states!!!!
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