NATO & America losses in Serbia 1999.

[Sarajevo071]

I was shot down on the 18th November 1944 on my 21st mission.

We kinda knew, when you do that kind of work, the chances are fairly high that you’re going to get shot down. You hope you get out of the airplane, survive and aren’t injured. But if you do, your chances then of being captured are quite high. This depends on where you go down. If you went down in Germany you were going to get captured. Your chances of evading capture were poor. If you went down in Yugoslavia, territory that the Germans occupied but didn’t control, there were partisan troops; Chetniks and other groups of people who were guerrilla fighters in the mountains fighting against the Germans. If the partisans caught you, they might help you and deliver you back to your American people. This would take several months. The Chetniks might help you, or they might turn you over to the Germans. Then there were the Ustashi who were sort of on the German side. If they caught you, they would most probably kill you. So it was a gamble as to where you got shot down, whether you got out of the airplane or not and who captured you. You knew that if you continued to fly those missions, eventually you would get shot down.

Lee Lamar
US Army Air Force
15th Air Force, 460th Bomb group 760th Bomb Squadron

[Sarajevo071]

Yugoslav Jews were targeted by the NAZIs as well as the Ustashi and Serbian Chetniks who often cooperated with the Germans.

http://www.histclo.com/essay/war/ww2...g/ww2-yug.html

[Sarajevo071]

The Serbs, like other nations occupied by the Axis, were divided between resolute anti-fascist resisters, committed ideological quislings, and opportunists ready to collaborate with both Axis and Allies in pursuit of their own interests (this, of course, applied to the political classes: the mass of ordinary people sought above all to survive). Among the Serbs, the resisters were the Partisans under the leadership of Josip Broz Tito and the Communist Party of Yugoslavia; the quislings were the followers of the puppet prime-minister General Milan Nedic and of the fascist leader Dimitrije Ljotic; and the opportunists were Mihailovic and the Chetniks. In practice, there was very little difference in behaviour between Nedic’s and Ljotic’s outright quislings and Mihailovic’s Chetniks, who collaborated with the Nazis while seeking to crush the real resisters - the Partisans - and exterminate Muslims, Croats, Jews and others, into the bargain.

Mihailovic was a Yugoslav Army officer and member of Borivoje Mirkovic’s conspiratorial circle of 26th - 27th March, who had taken to the hills following the Yugoslav capitulation, intending to continue the resistance. Yet his version of ‘resistance’ meant essentially waiting for the Allies to win the war on Yugoslavia’s behalf, then to fall upon the Germans after they had already been defeated. It was the Partisans who launched a genuine guerrilla resistance while the Chetniks were waiting in the wings. Faced, by the summer of 1941, with a rival and genuine resistance movement in the shape of the Partisans, Mihailovic turned the Chetniks’ guns against his fellow Serbs, starting a civil war that would result in tens if not hundreds of thousands of dead. At the same time - already in the autumn of 1941 - Mihailovic began making overtures to the Germans, seeking to reach an accommodation with them for joint action against the Partisans. This would have placed the Chetniks in the position of German anti-Communist auxiliaries, helping to suppress the genuine Yugoslav resistance while waiting for the Great Powers to determine the outcome of the war amongst themselves. That Mihailovic failed to reach an agreement with the Germans at this time was not for want of trying on his part, but merely due to German unwillingness to deal with someone they considered a ‘rebel’.

While the Partisans fought the occupiers, the Chetniks collaborated. Mihailovic’s officers in the NDH served as the auxiliaries of the Italians who, unlike the Germans, had no qualms about collaborating with rebels. Furthermore, various Bosnian Chetnik commanders signed treaties of cooperation with the very Ustasha state that had exterminated hundreds of thousands of their fellow Serbs. Mihailovic himself was careful not to put his signature on incriminating documents of this kind, but he never repudiated his own officers who did so. Meanwhile, under the military umbrella provided by their Italian allies, the Chetniks engaged in a genocidal campaign of their own against Muslims and Croats, in order to lay the foundations for a ‘Great Serbia’.

Petar Bacovic, Mihailovic’s commander for eastern Bosnia-Hercegovina, reported in September 1942, that ‘our Chetniks - greatly embittered by the misdeeds committed by the Ustashas against the Serbs - skinned alive three Catholic priests between Ljubinje and Vrgorac. Our Chetniks have killed all men aged fifteen years or above. They did not kill women or children aged under fifteen years. Seventeen villages were entirely burned... We shall soon, God willing, attack Fazlagic Kula, the last Muslim stronghold in Hercegovina. After that in Hercegovina there will not remain a single Muslim in the villages.’ Pavle Djurisic, commander of the Lim-Sanjak Chetnik Detachment, reported to Mihailovic on 13th February 1943 the results of the Chetnik actions in the Pljevlja, Foca and Cajnice districts: ‘All Muslim villages in the three mentioned districts were totally burned so that not a single home remained in one piece. All property was destroyed except cattle, corn and senna.’ Furthermore: ‘During the operation the total destruction of the Muslim inhabitants was carried out regardless of sex and age’. In this operation, ‘our total losses were 22 dead, of which 2 through accidents, and 32 wounded. Among the Muslims, around 1,200 fighters and up to 8,000 other victims: women, old people and children.’

Mihailovic’s Chetnik movement was viciously anti-Semitic. Bacovic claimed in October 1942 that ‘the Jews, associated with much of the scum of the earth, fled to our country and began to propagate such a better and happier state of affairs in a Communist state.’ Dobroslav Jevdjevic, Mihailovic’s political representative in eastern Bosnia and Hercegovina, claimed in June 1942 that Partisan units were largely made up of ‘Jews, Gypsies and Muslims’. The following month, he accused the Partisans: ‘They have destroyed Serb churches and established mosques, synagogues and Catholic temples.’ A pamphlet distributed by the Chetniks around Sarajevo in the autumn of 1942 spoke of ‘the Communists, whose leaders are Jews and who wish to impose Jewish rule on the world’. A Chetnik proclamation of September 1942 claimed that ‘an Ustasha, German, Jew or Gypsy may become a Partisan; in other words anyone willing on behalf of the foreigner to participate in the slaughter and killing of the best Serb sons.’ A group of senior Chetnik commanders issued a proclamation in February 1943 to the Serbs of Croatia and Bosnia, claiming that ‘since we have cleansed Serbia, Montenegro and Hercegovina, we have come to help you to crush the pitiful remnants of the Communist international, criminal band of Tito, Mose Pijade, Levi Vajnert and other paid Jews’. They called upon the Partisan rank-and-file to ‘kill the political commissars and join our ranks right away’, like the ‘hundreds and hundreds who are surrendering every day, conscious that they have been betrayed and swindled by the Communist Jews’. The 9th March 1943 issue of the Chetnik newspaper Vidovdan described the Partisans as ‘bandits led by the Zagreb Jew ‘Tito’ and the Belgrade Jew Mose Pijade’.


and more, and more and MORE....

http://zope06.v.servelocity.net/hjs/...-12.7328995393

[Sarajevo071]

So, stop your serbian noncence, lies and bulls***t and start learning about REAL word and REAL religion more… You are on right place!

[DeepEyes]

Originally Posted by Sanchezz

Bosnian losses Serbian losses Croatian loses
32,723 civilians killed, 3,555 civilians killed 1,899 civilians killed
31,270 soldiers killed 24,206 soldiers killed 5,439 soldiers killed.

Bosnians and croats guilty same as serbs ????
And deepeyes.... serbs in bosnia dont have military .. they had it but it is inegrated in Bosnian Armed Forces .. since 2 years ago... since RS is an entity .. and in deyton agreement it clearyl says "No entity can call for a referendum" your statments are lies.......

What did I lied?

With your logic, Croatians supposed to be the most guilty only (6 000 loses)!
And when Serb die, he was a solder,but when Muslim die he was a civilian.

I know that Mulims had great casualties.I feel sorry for them,and I never deny that, but Serbs had casulties too. Percentage of Serbs in Bosnia decriese from 43% in 1991 to 31% in 1995.many of them (escaped to Serbia)many died. Is it not a crime when you kill or Serb?

In that 8 000 casulties in Srebrenica, there was 1500 Serbs.Who killed them? Sanchezz,don't just throw with numbers.Meny of them are still not correct.

Term "Entity" was used to hide real situation,and to minimase chance for Serb to separate.When "piece" of land have their Military,Police,Government,Flag,Borders... those are attributes of independent country.Of coarse Dayton Peace forbid Serbs to separate.Serbs agreed to that.But it also guarantes right that "Republic of Srpska" have mulitary,police, to exist. And you said that military and police is united now.And also Croatians and Mulsims want to Cancel "Republic of Srpska".And that is violating of Dayton Agreement.In united Bosnia Serbs will always be overvoted by Croats and Muslims like they was in 1945-1990. So Bosniaks and Croatian can violate Dayton, but Serbs no.

And this is a personal question.Why do YOU want 31% population to be Serbs in your country?You hate them!

[DeepEyes]

Sarajevo071, that Skull tower.Those are heads of Serbs who die for freedom against Ottomans.Ottomans built that,to scare Serbs.I don't understood, You would be ashamed of that?

Is there any greather monument of fighting for freedom, then this? Serbs will always remeber those people. Sarajevo071,you are stupid man! Go to town of Nis, that tower is called "Cele Kula" and read what geatests French writters write about it.

Sloboda nema cenu!

[DeepEyes]

The Bosniaks (Bosnian: Bosnjaci) are a South Slavic people living mainly in Bosnia and Herzegovina.Descendants of indigenous converts to Islam during Bosnia's Ottoman period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniaks


Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (NAZI MUSLIMS)
The 13th Handschar was the largest of these divisions, with 21,065 men. Its German name meant that it was the 13th division, a mountain formation (Gebirgs) of the SS (composed of non-German recruits). Named Handschar after the curved Turkish sword known as the Scimitar (Arabic: Khanjar): an historical symbol of Bosnia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Wa..._(1st_Croatian)



Chetniks,some of the remaining Yugoslav soldiers organized the Yugoslav Royal Army in the Fatherland in the Ravna Gora district of western Serbia under Colonel Dragoljub Mihailovic to fight the German occupation. They were almost entirely ethnic Serbs.Dragoljub Mihailovic posthumous awarded with Legion of Merit, by U.S. President Harry S. Truman, 1948...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustashe

Go and learn!

Camp of Jasenovac and the genocides perpetrated against Serbs, Jews and Romas in Yugoslavia during World War II

http://www.jasenovac.org/index.php

[Sarajevo071]

And you are an moron if you think I would be silent on your insult, distortion of truth and all that pictures and statements you put against Bosnian fight for freedom!!

And, plese, stop selling crazy serbian crap like a truth (every moron can write crap on Wikipedia), and read some REAL history books...

Originally Posted by DeepEyes

What did I lied?

With your logic, Croatians supposed to be the most guilty only (6 000 loses)!
And when Serb die, he was a solder,but when Muslim die he was a civilian.

I know that Mulims had great casualties.I feel sorry for them,and I never deny that, but Serbs had casulties too. Percentage of Serbs in Bosnia decriese from 43% in 1991 to 31% in 1995.many of them (escaped to Serbia)many died. Is it not a crime when you kill or Serb?

In that 8 000 casulties in Srebrenica, there was 1500 Serbs.Who killed them? Sanchezz,don't just throw with numbers.Meny of them are still not correct.

Term "Entity" was used to hide real situation,and to minimase chance for Serb to separate.When "piece" of land have their Military,Police,Government,Flag,Borders... those are attributes of independent country.Of coarse Dayton Peace forbid Serbs to separate.Serbs agreed to that.But it also guarantes right that "Republic of Srpska" have mulitary,police, to exist. And you said that military and police is united now.And also Croatians and Mulsims want to Cancel "Republic of Srpska".And that is violating of Dayton Agreement.In united Bosnia Serbs will always be overvoted by Croats and Muslims like they was in 1945-1990. So Bosniaks and Croatian can violate Dayton, but Serbs no.

And this is a personal question.Why do YOU want 31% population to be Serbs in your country?You hate them!

In 1992 percentege of serbs in bosnia was 32%
and in 1995 28%.

1500 serbs who died in area sorounding srebrenica were soldiers who fought the bosnian army before srebrenica was declared UN Safezone

Serbs in bosnia dont have army... the police will be united this or next year... there are no borders between entitys except imagionary.. and parliamant can have any region... same as in switzerland... each Canton has its own parliament

We hate serbs because they killed 65000 bosnian civilians bosnian army killed 3600 serb civilians (mostly because of innacurate artilery fire)....serbs raped 15 000 womman and destroyed more than 1000 mosques.While military losses were 32 000 bosnian army and 24 500 serbian army.Considering the huge amount of supplies and armmament that serbs had and ond the other side lack of weapons and ammunition on bosnian side... this is a huge succes.Also dayton agreement stopped offensive of the bosnian army that included 45000 soldiers that were heading to Banja Luka.. when they were 20Km away dayton agreement signed

And because you are promoting Serb Chetnik murderers and rapers who commited numerous attrocities... i will post some of the pictures of the army that stopped them from killing us all

Here is a picture of my good friend Cy Mackintosh from Scotland... he was in bosnian brigade called "Staro bosanski Kraljevi" - " Old bosnian kings" fighting the rapist and genocidal serb aggresor... He served in UK military and he was trained there.. when he saw what was happening in bosnia and croatia he came to croatia and fought there in ranks of famous croatian military brigade "Zenge" .. after 1 year in croatia he came to Bosnia to join bosnian army... He always wore British Uniform and he was an excelent soldier... this pic was taked right after he came from the frontline

[spirit]

Originally Posted by Sarajevo071

Really!?

Then... STOP THIS SERBIAN NATIONALISTIC CRAP AND LIES, AND MOVE ON!!

My grandfather was underground in Sarajevo, fighting Germans and NDH... Tito breaks off with Stalin since he was smart enough to know what is coming from DICTATOR and SICK MAN like him!! In Bosniae (STATE BEFORE KINGDOM OF YUGOSLAVIA AND BEFORE TURKS CAME AND INTRODUCE ISLAM) lived Christians but also BOGUMILS (Pope and crusaders wage a war on them - so much for being Christians)!! And you know that, serb.

And most important for you serbs who live in past LOOSED wars and history, I DON'T GIVE A FLYING F****, WHAT SOMEONE WAS HUNDREDS YEARS AGO!! Who cares!? Why should I!? It's important who I am today!! And what Bosna and Bosnians are today. Go back to your caves and play with bones from Kosovo field if past is so important to you... I DON'T CARE FOR WWII SINCE WAR IN BOSNIA IS ONE THAT I KNOW, THAT I SAW AND THAT I SURVIVED.

Very sad to see that serbs staining even this place with they lies and propaganda, and bringing MP.net attitude...


Here... Go and fetch!

I’m going to ask you one question WHO ARE BOGUMILS?
If you don’t know, I am going to explained it to you!
Serbs can look 1000 years back in history and still see and know who there ancestors where. We are old people and we have history, some thing you will never have.
You will never understand some things.

[spirit]

Originally Posted by Sarajevo071

And, since you like pictures so much, here are some more...

Nice pictures, only thing missing is that lot of those mane came from Chechnya, Middle East and other Muslim countries.

[spirit]

Sarayevo071 do you have some site from which you are copying this texts?
Smart, then again really primitive!

[spirit]

Sarayevo071 you are talking something about Serbs being NATINALISTS look at you, you didn’t say one nice thing about Serbs. You even insulted Christians, but no one insulted Muslims…

Look at your signature... Chetnik ..rapist,slaughterers,dirty,comming from mountains and villages..... and you are talkin here and saying how serbs were "defending" themselves ??