Islamic Iran Betrays Chechnya

raqin im sorry but there is a clear distinction between the wahabi sect and the sunni. many people think that wahabi are the sunni in saudi arabia. no that is not the case, even in saudi arabia wahabi are a small minority. wahabi and sunni are not the same. wahabi are more strict and usually are more violent in there beliefs, i was not sure if the chechens were wahabi, i think i remember hearing a while back that they were. but i know for sure that sunni and wahabi are different

raqin i don't know if it is allowed but i could post some useful sites on wahabism, i know the difference and i could explain it, but i have problems remembring the names and timelines.

alrite im no scholar but there were a series of wars following the prophets death between ali's followers and, i forget their name bu the group based in syria, (i should know this), during this war, imam ali instead of confronting the syrians went south and defeated a third group who were in saudi arabia. this group had their own interpretations of islam and were killing the followers of imam ali. because he went to saudi arabia instead of syria, the syrians had a chance to regroup and some other battles happened and eventually ali line died , and then there was the split between shia and sunni. the third group that was defeated eventually after many years gained in number and then the wahab guy came about, with the head of the saudi family they started a series of wars, which they gained control of saudi arabia, hence the name. and so the rulers of saudi arabia to this day belong to this sect and they do their best to export their beliefs to countries like pakistan and afghanistan. raqin i keep sayin im not sure the chechens are wahabi. but the difference between wahabis and regular sunni's is wahabis are against science, they don't like history for some reason, no music allowed, men grow beards women cover everything but their eyes (rememer the taliban) extremely violent, never open to discussion, and although muslims in general throughout history we have been a nation of science, wahabis seem to be against education. the media portrays all muslims as wahabi in the media.

raqin i never said all saudis are wahabi i never said that anyone with a beard is wahabi because i have seen sunni cut their beards but a a wahabi would never. also even religious shia's don't shave their beard. so whats your point, if you don't know how to argue with facts don't waste my time. why do you keep comparing saudis to iranians, it doesn't make sense. there is such thing as a wahabi and if you've got the time i refer you to some web sites where people who know more about this subject than me, show the differences

raqin how old are you? you just keep saying there is no wahabi. prove it, lol you're acting like a wahabi, hardheaded and unwilling to listen to facts.

Originally Posted by kia4ever

raqin how old are you? you just keep saying there is no wahabi. prove it, lol you're acting like a wahabi, hardheaded and unwilling to listen to facts.

The most common beliefs of the so called wahabi/salafi faith:

1: God is one and only. Only he should be invoked for any needs not through any intercessors living or dead.

2: Belief in the physical attributes of God (like his two hands etc) without giving resemblence to a living being or a human.

3: Anaylysis of Hadith when drawin up any issues and not following any particula school of thought. Like they dont blindly folow 4 schools of sunni thought.

4: They also consider making any pictures of prophets or their comapninions as un orthodoxy defined as (transgression) and their reveration through pictures as idolatory.

5: denouncing sufism, which leads many to follow sufi saints and mnay of these followers lead to just asking the saint for needs and dont pray the 5 times prayers.
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As for music is haram. Even the shia clerics have the ruling that music is haram. this is nothing new.

lol i stand corrected. but i finally understand what you're trying to say. it was your impression that i was saying wahabism is something like shiasm which stands out on its own. wahabis are extreme sunnis who although share alot of the same beliefs but they also have their own interpretations and are more open to violence as a means of getting their views across. i keep repeating to you i am not a muslim scholar, but there are wahabis out their. it is less of a religion and more of a philosophy, it is true that they would say they are sunni muslim, but they believe in the word of Abdul Wahab, and they have almost a unique hatred for shias. and i was joking when i said you are a wahabi because if you were, you would probably not be on a computer, and you would certainly not assosciate with shias.

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Originally Posted by raqin

"wahabis" are not "wahabis'' they are muslims

Go to Saudi they dont even use that term "Wahabi"

In that case all muslims are "Wahabi" except for the shia sect

There is a sect called 'wahhabi', yet they do not like to be called this. That is probably why you are so angry.

The taleban were not wahahbis. They were sunnis with hanafi school following. The same school which the iranians were following untill the 17 centuary.

are we allowed to post links here?

islamic iran supports all and every terrorist around the world

what a shame!

Originally Posted by raqin

1. This is what Quran says...Only Allah has power to help or harm...That God is closer to you than any "saint" u could invoke...God is closer to you than your own self!! So this is Universally excepted in ISlam...What the difference from invoking a saint rather than invoking Jesus(as)??? Allah throughout Quran says do not set up intercessors to him that he is close to us and hears all calls....OK even if Ali should be Khalifah this does not excuse invoking him other than Allah!!!One might say in the day of the prophet(pbuh) people would ask him to pray for them...yeah but the he was alive back then!!! Its nothing wrong with asking a living person to pray for you but in Islam u dont invoke the dead....Really thats just like christians do...If invoking "saints" is ok why not then invoke the prophets also, Moses(pbuh), Jesus(pbuh), etc etc??

2. As for the 2 hands...yes they say this but do not think of this as hands in human sense...The so called "wahabis" do not give physicall attributes to god.

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4. Of course u dont make pictures of the prophets!!!The majority of muslims do not make depictions of the prophets and consider this as wrong...I have never encountered any muslims which think this is ok...

5. There is no Saint hood in ISlam...How can one say that u dont have to pray 5 times when God has told us we do and so has his messenger(pbuh).....Did God say they dont have to pray 5 times???

So basically what u describe as "wahabi" is all muslims except for the shia sect

I presented it with the salafi point of view. The shia thought is different frm the above mentioned points. Even many perhaps most sunnis dont follow the above points.

Very few sunnis in iran share this thought and some clerics have been tortured and killed in jails for keeping such views in iran.

Originally Posted by phoenix80

islamic iran supports all and every terrorist around the world

what a shame!

lol even the ones that hate us

like what?

Originally Posted by phoenix80

islamic iran supports all and every terrorist around the world

what a shame!

Is your problem with Islam or Iran?