TERRORISM in Middle-East!!

Originally Posted by ThronStahl

Who is your strategical/politcal guru, Ned Flanders????

The u.s. are the worst mass murdering state in history, having killed 20,000,000 native americans, ponder that a bit.

And you got that from me saying 'awesome great post'

Your a goose.

It wasnt americans who colinised north america, it was the Europeans.

The US just finished the job in the later years.

But we will just sweep under the carpet all the millions that died under the boots of the islamic armies conquestion through most of the middle east, north africa, spain parts of france befor they were defeated at pontiers and the partial conquest of the balklands. Lets just forget that shall we.

or

We can go back further and think of all the people who died under the conquests of the persian empires and so on.

See how pointless it is.

Grow up.

[NightHawk]

This is Happening Today.!!

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/0...nt-you-to-see/

http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/W_repo...17-08-2006.htm

Originally Posted by Mahati

Can we talk about what is happening today and not debate what has happened over 50 years ago and then try to use that to justify ones actions today?

[NightHawk]

If it was not for the horrible crimes coupled with abduction, annihilation, ethnic cleansing and mass murder committed in the past, we wouldn’t be here today discussing its effects on the present generation which will continue to effect on the future generations as well!!

The passing of time cannot alter or delete the history-- You want it or Not!!

Originally Posted by Mahati

I did not say he should not post. I am saying that posting something like this is not productive. We can go back 100, 200, 1000 years if you would like. The bottom line is today it is not Jews doing these suicide bombing runs against civilians. It is Arabs.

If the Jews did it 75 years ago it was wrong of them to do so then, and it is wrong for the Arabs to do so today. But do not justify ones actions and say, "Well they did it too." Wrong is wrong.

Now since I have been here since February and you have been here for a few weeks, why don't you get lost. Go read every post I have created before attempting to say that all I do is complain.

[NightHawk]

Thousands of shiploads of Jews, without food, clothes and no where to stay, who have sought refuge in the land of olive (Palestine – "Bilad az-Zaytun"), turn violent on the indigenous population!!
All of these terrorist groups terrorised the indigenous Muslim/Arabs, driving them out of their lands!! This is the source of the problem, the root of the conflict.!!

These ungrateful Zionist terrorists bombed King David Hotel, killing 91 people that comprised largely of British civilians!! For this reason, Menachem Begin of the Stern Gang was wanted by the British authorities for his criminal activities!!

We know that “Eretz Israel” is the goal, and terrorism is the method… it was the Zionists who introduced these methods, like the European colonisers introduced chicken pox to the peaceful native population in the America and Australia!!
Zionists even openly admitted of their intention of using terrorism, the aforementioned words of Ben-Gurion and the underground newspaper of the Stern Gang explicitly stated this: "Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can negate the use of terror as a means of battle."

I agree totally that after the establishment of this illegal entity, Street-Terrorism of groups was replaced by State-Terrorism that we witness today!!

Originally Posted by mango993

The jewish terror groups acted against the British millitary, not against random civillians like the palestinians.

The lands of the state of Israel were not gained by theft, but by PALESTINIANS who SOLD those lands, and in the 1948 war, where Israel DEFENDED against a massive attack of arab nations and palestinians, the lands were conquered in act of defense.

When the terror groups became parts of the state, they had drastically moderated themselves and turned less aggressive, also many extremeists among the groups were thrown away. When the group leaders realized that they're now managing a state, the aggressive winds disappeared.

[NightHawk]

In order to cure a disease-- a cancer, First of all it is important to recognise it(sickness), but equally it is indispensable to characterise its “root causes” and analyse the evolution of its "origin" if we want to avoid that it can be repeated!!
Last time it went to deaf ears and Dumb Heads was when Americans and a portion of some people around globe were embroiled in the fairy tales of “Al_Qaeda and WMD” on CNN, BBC and FOX!!

Did I make the hole in the water once again??--- I hope not!!

Originally Posted by Sharky

Killing innocent people on purpose is the most backwards/counter productive act and group can do. There is no objective in killing innocent people except to fuel anger and prolong war. All the people that support these acts just show how ignorant, or evil, they are. In the current Isreal situation, these suicide bombings do absoluting nothing to aid the underpowered people of Palistine. These culvert groups are using these poor people as their pawns in a deadly game of chess that has no possible end. Keep feeding them lies to make them want to die for you ... let them die for you to create the war ... prolong the war to keep the anger ... keep the anger to justify the lies. It's such an obvious cycle. I just wish these people would wake up and see that peace is the only way for it to end. Just like a warlord, these culvert groups are only active if there is war. That is why they continue to push for violence. If there was peace, they wouldn't exist, so they would not have any power.

The facts are simple. Isreal is a nation recognized by the world. They have milions of people living there, a government, military, civilization. You can not just order a group this big to leave. And you can not just kill them for the sake of history. You have to deal with reality and accept your losses. Adapt, move on, forgive, forget. It's hard to do, but unless people start to accept this, people will continue to die for their fathers and grandfathers actions.

A side note - how did my post have any content that called for a jab towards americans? This is a Isreal/Muslim Radical issue, not American.

Another side note - news flash, 50% of americans are against the war. Many were not for it from the beginning. Don't generalize us as a whole. Unlike many Iranian supporters in here, I am not afraid to ackowledge my countries short comings. You guys should try and do the same.

[Wheellug]

I've seen the comment about 20 mil American indians being killed several times.
Many, many american indians simply blended in with the population.
I may have a germanic sir name as my grandfather immigrated to the U.S., but my other half is Choctaw indian.
Assimilation took place mostly voluntarily, I say mostly as there are a few distinct personages that refused to get along.

Originally Posted by Wheellug

I've seen the comment about 20 mil American indians being killed several times.
Many, many american indians simply blended in with the population.
I may have a germanic sir name as my grandfather immigrated to the U.S., but my other half is Choctaw indian.
Assimilation took place mostly voluntarily, I say mostly as there are a few distinct personages that refused to get along.

Good to see some one with first hand info sho down what lies people post here.

They seem to believ all the propoganda there own governent spew out to discredit the US. Ask yourself why are they so concerned with the US?

[Mahati]

Originally Posted by Sharky

The facts are simple. Isreal is a nation recognized by the world. They have milions of people living there, a government, military, civilization. You can not just order a group this big to leave. And you can not just kill them for the sake of history. You have to deal with reality and accept your losses. Adapt, move on, forgive, forget. It's hard to do, but unless people start to accept this, people will continue to die for their fathers and grandfathers actions.

A side note - how did my post have any content that called for a jab towards americans? This is a Isreal/Muslim Radical issue, not American.

Another side note - news flash, 50% of americans are against the war. Many were not for it from the beginning. Don't generalize us as a whole. Unlike many Iranian supporters in here, I am not afraid to ackowledge my countries short comings. You guys should try and do the same.

Exactly. Israel won, the Arabs lost. Israel now controls the land. Over the centuries that land has been contested fought over and controlled by different ethnic groups. All could lay claim to it by pointing to some event in the distant past. How far back do you want to go? The Romans controlled that lnd for Centuries. Should Italy lay claim to the land of Jerusalem as well?

Bottom line is today Israel controls the land, has a working government and standing army. They are recognized by all modern Nations in the world and are engaged in the World economy. Arabs have a choice here. They can learn to accept it, lay down their arms and create a State of Palestine and exist side by side Israel in peace. Or they can continue doing what they are doing right now. And since they have chosen this path then they have to suffer the consequences of it. Do not try to gain sympathy from the West for punishment the Israelis are putting on the Palestinians.

Bill Clinton had secured a road map for Peace. Israel pulled out of the settlements and pulled out of Lebonon, and Hezbullah and Hamas still attacked Israel. Arabs have made it abundandly clear that they will not allow Israel to exist as a State and will do whatever is necessary to drive the Jews into the sea. Israel has no choice but to do everything in their power to prevent that from happening. Today you are seeing the results of these decisions.

If the Arabs lay down their arms there will be peace. If the Jews lay down their arms there will be genocide. That is what the West sees today.

P.S. Sharky is right about America. 50% of Americans do not want war and an even larger percentage think that Bush is a bafoon. We even have leftwingers who think tat we should sit down and engage in talks with Iran and the Arabs and try to negotiate. These are ignorant Americans who have no clue as to what is going on in the Middle East. They do not believe that the ultimate goal is to destroy us. You cannot negotiate with that mindset. However this percentage of people is keeping our governments hands tied. If they finally wake up and understand the threat I fear for the Middle East.

[NightHawk]

Lets not Forget Zionist entity has a history not only of trying to cover up its state-sponsored terrorism but of downright lying to camouflage every one of its dark designs!!

It goes back to the beginning of political Zionism and its "spiritual father", Theodore Herzl (1860-1904), Hungarian-born journalist, who was fascinated by the French proverb: "Qui veut la fin, veut les moyens" (he who desires the end, desires the means)!!

In an explanation of what made him start thinking of a Jewish State in Palestine he came out with a doctored view of his own Racist hindsight!! He wrote in an essay in defence of his Zionism that during the trial and public humiliation of Dreyfus in France, he had heard crowds shout "Death to the Jews"!! Herzl had reported the notorious trial of Alfred Dreyfus, a Jewish captain in the French army, for a Vienna newspaper, a few years earlier!!
His news dispatches said that the crowds had roared: "Death to the Traitor" Herzl gave away his own game later when he admitted that the Jews in France saw themselves as almost within the social mainstream!! Faced with charges from the French Jews that his Zionism was hindering their total assimilation in the French nation, he turned sarcastic and wrote: "If any or all of French Jewry protest against this scheme (of a Jewish State), because they are already “assimilated”, my answer is simple. They are Israelite Frenchmen? Splendid. This is a private affair for Jews alone"..!!

Herzl spent his final years waiting at the gates of European monarchs and Turkey's Sultan, begging for any kind of a signal for him to carry Occidental civilisation to Palestine by turning "this plague-ridden, blighted corner of the Orient" into a Jewish State!! He spoke also of "spiriting the penniless Palestinians away" from Palestine!! But when an Arab notable in Jerusalem asked him if he was really contemplating driving the Palestinians out of their homes, Herzl wrote: " Who would think of sending them away? It is their well being, their individual wealth which we will increase by bringing in our own"

The forked tongue is a constant in the history of Zionism!! Over long years the Zionists worked single-mindedly for a take-over of Palestine but kept on denying that aim until they had achieved it!!

Who exactly coined the crisp slogan of a "land (Palestine) without people to a people (Jews) without land" is not known. The credit is given sometimes to Herzl himself and sometimes to his English collaborator, Israel Zangwill. Max Nordeau, another Hungarian-born associate of Herzl, had a twinge of conscience when he learnt that Palestine was not a land without people!! He said: "I did not know that –-- but then we are committing an injustice!!" But he quickly recovered and claimed that the word "homeland", used in the Balfour Declaration and the League of Nations Mandate to camouflage the contemplated State for the Jews in Palestine was his idea!! The infamous Balfour Declaration (1917) was the first tall feather in the cap of Chaim Weizmann, an arrogant Jewish biochemist who dined with British prime ministers and helped British war efforts in 1914-18!!

In fact, his was the first draft of the document by which one country pledged to give away another to some people scattered over the world!! Albert Einstein --my idol, who opposed the idea of a Jewish State and later refused to become Zionist's first President, asked Weizmann: "What about the Arabs if Palestine were to be given to the Jews?" Weizmann replied: "What Arabs? They are hardly of any consequence"

To Emir Feisal, son of Sherif Hussein of Mecca, whom Lawrence of Arabia had courted for help against Turkey during World War I, Weizmann said: "The Jews do not propose to set up a Jewish government." Even as late as in 1930, the cunning Weizmann thought it politic to keep his scheme under wraps: He said: "If a Jewish State were possible, I would be strongly for it. I am not for it because I consider it unrealisable." When near the goal, thanks largely to Jewish terrorism, Weizmann made a show of his anguish at UN and in his own words, hung his head in shame because the Jews had violated the commandment: Thou shall not kill. That, of course, did not prevent Weizmann from feeling "proud of our boys" when they blew up Hotel King David, administrative headquarters of Britain's Palestine Mandate in Jerusalem, killing 91 and injuring 58 Britons and Arabs. When the Jewish State was realised Weizmann became its first President!!

Zionist regime is the only State admitted to UN membership on condition that it would be obedient to the world body and be bound, more specifically, by two General Assembly resolutions –-- of November 1947 for partition of Palestine and of December 1948 enshrining the right of the Palestinian refugees to return to their homes or be satisfied with compensation!!

A document on UN record, dated 29 November 1948, reads: "On behalf of the State of Israel, I, Moshe Shertok, Minister for Foreign Affairs, being duly authorised by the State Council of Israel, declare that the State of Israel hereby unreservedly accepts the obligation of the UN Charter and undertakes to honour them from the day when it becomes a Member of the United Nations."

Four days after Zionist entity had been accepted by UN as one of its members, David Ben Gurion, Zionists first Terrorist prime minister, declared in the Knesset that UN's Palestine partition resolution no longer held any moral force because the Arabs had violated it and for Israel the resolution was "null and void" as far as Jerusalem was concerned!!

The fact is that the Zionists needed a UN resolution as a birth certificate for their illegal State and a second one to attain UN membership or the mark of the minimum in international respectability. Once they thought they had overcome all doubts about the legitimacy or viability of their State, they no longer needed the United Nations, currently the main source of international law!!

Zionist entity, till today, has been condemned or censured by UN many hundreds of times for its lawlessness and for going back on its words but no leader in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem has ever betrayed any concern!! Some Zionists have even taken to calling its legal creator its enemy!!

[NightHawk]

Since 1948, The illegal entity of Jews has managed to portray itself as a victim of "terrorism", instead of being the real perpetrator, while Zionist’s victims have been systematically turned into terrorists!!

Originally Posted by Night

Because Hamas did use terrorism against Israel.

This entire fiasco sucks.

NightHawk most of the things u have just said are rubbish.
Theodore Herzel wasnt the spiritual father of the Zionist, he actually had the idea of having a jewish country in Israel , and not because of his idea jewish ppl start to move into the lands of israel.
Those who Immigrate to israel in the 19th century where the ppl with the Zionist Ideology so there was no any spiritual father of the Zionist Ideology.

[NightHawk]

http://www.peterberkowitz.com/adramaticstruggle.htm

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/1-vt11946.html?start=0

http://www.factbites.com/topics/Theodor-Herzl

.. and more again!!

Study some reasonable stuff.... before making senseless comments!!

Originally Posted by SaaZ

NightHawk most of the things u have just said are rubbish.
Theodore Herzel wasnt the spiritual father of the Zionist, he actually had the idea of having a jewish country in Israel , and not because of his idea jewish ppl start to move into the lands of israel.
Those who Immigrate to israel in the 19th century where the ppl with the Zionist Ideology so there was no any spiritual father of the Zionist Ideology.

[NightHawk]

However Zionist entity was born from the Womb of Terror... there is no dispute on this "sacro saint veridad"!!