Russia: an untrustful partner?

[Numen]

Time by time Russia has played an odd game with Iran behaving like a little child who wants to squeeze all the resources of the Iranian people in order to only back them up occasionally from the enmemies of Iran.

Russia has understood that Iran is in need of its partnership with Russia in order to successfully pass the difficult time until it has established itself as a legitimate user of peaceful nuclear enery in the world, and Russia therefore tries to maximize its own win during this turbulent time for Iran.

Russia has failed to:
1. Finish the Bushehr nuclear plant in a timely fashion, knowing that a nuclear plant in operation would minimize any attack threat.

2. To honor its promise to back Iran on international arena at an acceptable level, endangering Iranian situation by imposing new wave of hard or soft sanctions against its economic sector.

3. To respond in a timely fashion to Iranian request for new defencive arms like the S-300 or new fighter jets (like the Mig-31) which basically could eliminate any Israeili threat and make any American threat of an aerial attack marginalized.

4. To support Iranian membership in the Shanghai Cooperatin Organization. As a matter of fact Russia in an early stage even opposed it.

5. To actively counter-balance the US military build-up in the Persian Gulf by its own presence.

The list of Russian failures is probably longer than above with regards to its relationship to Iran. What Russia does not understand is that Iran is the backyard of Russia and if it collapses then Russia will be a very dangerous situation. Russia should also understand that its historically been poor in backing up its partners and this will undermine its credibility in the long-run. So it is in the interest of Russia to back Iran up fully on the points which will strengthen Iran's position and minimize an outbreak of war.

[fairplayall]

Originally Posted by Numen

Time by time Russia has played an odd game with Iran behaving like a little child who wants to squeeze all the resources of the Iranian people in order to only back them up occasionally from the enmemies of Iran.

Russia has understood that Iran is in need of its partnership with Russia in order to successfully pass the difficult time until it has established itself as a legitimate user of peaceful nuclear enery in the world, and Russia therefore tries to maximize its own win during this turbulent time for Iran.

Russia has failed to:
1. Finish the Bushehr nuclear plant in a timely fashion, knowing that a nuclear plant in operation would minimize any attack threat.

2. To honor its promise to back Iran on international arena at an acceptable level, endangering Iranian situation by imposing new wave of hard or soft sanctions against its economic sector.

3. To respond in a timely fashion to Iranian request for new defencive arms like the S-300 or new fighter jets (like the Mig-31) which basically could eliminate any Israeili threat and make any American threat of an aerial attack marginalized.

4. To support Iranian membership in the Shanghai Cooperatin Organization. As a matter of fact Russia in an early stage even opposed it.

5. To actively counter-balance the US military build-up in the Persian Gulf by its own presence.

The list of Russian failures is probably longer than above with regards to its relationship to Iran. What Russia does not understand is that Iran is the backyard of Russia and if it collapses then Russia will be a very dangerous situation. Russia should also understand that its historically been poor in backing up its partners and this will undermine its credibility in the long-run. So it is in the interest of Russia to back Iran up fully on the points which will strengthen Iran's position and minimize an outbreak of war.

Whether you like to face the truth or not... Iran needs Russia than Russia needs Iran.

Has Iran made herself very beneficial to Russia other than being a customer?

In fact Iran, being Muslim is not exactly appealing to largely non Muslim Russia.

This relationship Iran has to accept is more likely an alliance of convenience. Both needs each other one time or other.

We believe even Iran would dump Russia once she can be independent in weapons teachnology etc. Friends ? Only when it suits each other

[Numen]

Originally Posted by fairplayall

Whether you like to face the truth or not... Iran needs Russia than Russia needs Iran.

Has Iran made herself very beneficial to Russia other than being a customer?

In fact Iran, being Muslim is not exactly appealing to largely non Muslim Russia.

This relationship Iran has to accept is more likely an alliance of convenience. Both needs each other one time or other.

We believe even Iran would dump Russia once she can be independent in weapons teachnology etc. Friends ? Only when it suits each other

1.Russia is stronger than Iran and has a veto right, Iran needs Russia far more than Russia needs Iran (you are right).

2.You are right, Iran has not sucked up to Russia too much, but that is the mentality of the Iranians, they don't suck up to anyone, be it Russia, US, China etc.

3. You are right here too (Iran being muslim), but Russia is considered too much Europeans for the Asians; it is considered too much Christian for the Muslim world; it is considered anti-semite by the Jews (actuall the majority of the Jews in Israel are escaping from Russia); AND it is considered a strange, mixed, "non-pure" race by major European powers (don't forget Germany and the WWII). So Russia is indeed not very much of a friend with anyone...

4. Iran needs Russia for weapons, veto right and some other leverage. Iran's long-term relationship with Russia is strategic to both countries due to physical proximity but also ownership of world's large natural resources. If they do cooperate, the synergy effect will be amazing, but it seems the Russians need to first understand this.

The problem with the Russians is that their policies towards Iran is getting through the filter of former communists from Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan and Iran who live in exile in Russia and work for them. I am not sure this group of people are good neutral advisors on handling contemporary Iranian relationship. Russia needs to shake up its workforce in order to get nonbiased information on Iran and correct its misstakes.

Originally Posted by Numen

1.Russia is stronger than Iran and has a veto right, Iran needs Russia far more than Russia needs Iran (you are right).

Russia isnt stronger. we have a border with russia if we use our manpower they will be neutralized

[Numen]

Originally Posted by Iranian Guards

Russia isnt stronger. we have a border with russia if we use our manpower they will be neutralized

...if Iran only had 750 brand new fighter jets...you know Su-37, mig-35, mig-31 etc.

[Unkown Refugee!]

Originally Posted by Iranian Guards

Russia isnt stronger. we have a border with russia if we use our manpower they will be neutralized

Russia isn't stronger?

And no u don't.

[VitalyVK]

Originally Posted by Numen

Time by time Russia has played an odd game with Iran behaving like a little child who wants to squeeze all the resources of the Iranian people in order to only back them up occasionally from the enmemies of Iran.

Russia has understood that Iran is in need of its partnership with Russia in order to successfully pass the difficult time until it has established itself as a legitimate user of peaceful nuclear enery in the world, and Russia therefore tries to maximize its own win during this turbulent time for Iran.

Russia has failed to:
1. Finish the Bushehr nuclear plant in a timely fashion, knowing that a nuclear plant in operation would minimize any attack threat.

2. To honor its promise to back Iran on international arena at an acceptable level, endangering Iranian situation by imposing new wave of hard or soft sanctions against its economic sector.







The list of Russian failures is probably longer than above with regards to its relationship to Iran. What Russia does not understand is that Iran is the backyard of Russia and if it collapses then Russia will be a very dangerous situation. Russia should also understand that its historically been poor in backing up its partners and this will undermine its credibility in the long-run. So it is in the interest of Russia to back Iran up fully on the points which will strengthen Iran's position and minimize an outbreak of war.

Man, who are you? Putin's geopolitical adviser?

3. To respond in a timely fashion to Iranian request for new defencive arms like the S-300 or new fighter jets (like the Mig-31) which basically could eliminate any Israeili threat and make any American threat of an aerial attack marginalized.

S-300 sale is extremely difficult step. This decidion have to be very weighed and reasonable. If you didn't know we don't sale S-300 to every country that want and has money. There are only few countries in the world that has S-300. The same thing with MiG-31, it's very sophisticated aircraft requires not only large military budget

4. To support Iranian membership in the Shanghai Cooperatin Organization. As a matter of fact Russia in an early stage even opposed it.

Probably (i don't know) Iran wants something for joining SCO, and other members are thinking about that.

5. To actively counter-balance the US military build-up in the Persian Gulf by its own presence.

We should solve our internat problems first. Many countries in this region were donated by USSR, but the times has changed, we don't want to be "generous uncle" that support every anti-american regime, just for its antiamerican views. I didn't speak about Iran, but about many other so-called countries ex-"good friends of USSR"

[Numen]

Originally Posted by VitalyVK

Man, who are you? Putin's geopolitical adviser?



S-300 sale is extremely difficult step. This decidion have to be very weighed and reasonable. If you didn't know we don't sale S-300 to every country that want and has money. There are only few countries in the world that has S-300. The same thing with MiG-31, it's very sophisticated aircraft requires not only large military budget



Probably (i don't know) Iran wants something for joining SCO, and other members are thinking about that.




We should solve our internat problems first. Many countries in this region were donated by USSR, but the times has changed, we don't want to be "generous uncle" that support every anti-american regime, just for its antiamerican views. I didn't speak about Iran, but about many other so-called countries ex-"good friends of USSR"

I think Putin has more capable advisers to run his geoplitical business :-)

S-300 is not difficult at all. Let us not philosophise it, the Americans are giving Israel whatever it wants in order to use it against Iran:
http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=5617

and you are telling me, giving Iran S-300 is difficult?
Iran operated F-14 when you guys have no clue on what to put against it, and successfully operated it during the war and embargo, and you are telling me that the old Mig-31 is too sophisticated for Iran? You see you have not a good understanding of the Iranian capabilities...

As long as you consider Iran "every country with money" you will be on the wrong path, and the Americans just love that.

Russia during an initial phase in the previous years intentionally blocked Iran's membership in SCO,, they even admit it themselves.

If Russia should be focusing on internal affairs, it should then not let its bombers fly all over the world from North Pole to Latin America. You see this Lavrov bullshit is no longer credible. Actually the Iranian officials laugh on this language and considers it more of joke than anything else.

Amercians have a saying that goes like this:
"You either put up some help or you shut up"

I think the Iranians will carefully watch the Russian moves during the coming 1-3 months and will then make and appropriate decision regarding this relationship. The 4th resolution backed by Russia agianst Iran is not a positive sign...

[Numen]

Originally Posted by KavkAZ1

Russia isn't stronger?

And no u don't.

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I think there is a border between Iran and Russia as Azerbaijan is not considered a hinder. Whenever Russia and Iran wants that pocket to give them free corridor, it is not much resistance it can do:

1. There are many Armenians inside Azerbaijan
2. There are many Iranians inside Azerbaijan
3. The more extreme portion of the muslim population in Azerbaijan are not happy being cut off from the muslim world by their government
4. There are also Russians living there.

[@@@@@!]

Originally Posted by fairplayall

Whether you like to face the truth or not... Iran needs Russia than Russia needs Iran.

Has Iran made herself very beneficial to Russia other than being a customer?

In fact Iran, being Muslim is not exactly appealing to largely non Muslim Russia.

This relationship Iran has to accept is more likely an alliance of convenience. Both needs each other one time or other.

We believe even Iran would dump Russia once she can be independent in weapons teachnology etc. Friends ? Only when it suits each other

Iran is the best place in the entire world for US Missile Defence Shield Base ....

[@@@@@!]

Originally Posted by VitalyVK

Man, who are you? Putin's geopolitical adviser?



S-300 sale is extremely difficult step. This decidion have to be very weighed and reasonable. If you didn't know we don't sale S-300 to every country that want and has money. There are only few countries in the world that has S-300. The same thing with MiG-31, it's very sophisticated aircraft requires not only large military budget



Probably (i don't know) Iran wants something for joining SCO, and other members are thinking about that.




We should solve our internat problems first. Many countries in this region were donated by USSR, but the times has changed, we don't want to be "generous uncle" that support every anti-american regime, just for its antiamerican views. I didn't speak about Iran, but about many other so-called countries ex-"good friends of USSR"

Russia forgave 12 Billion Dollars of Iraqi debt , as a matter of fact russia never got

fully paid for its weapon sale , show me one case

did russia got paid from vietnam china korea syria ? who paid russia fully

iraq did ? who?

the fact is RUSSIA wants to be the LONELY WOLF of the NORTH and Iran knows

how to deal with the lonely wolf , remember in the second world war without Iran

there would have been NO RUSSIA TODAY ....

[@@@@@!]

Originally Posted by Numen

I think Putin has more capable advisers to run his geoplitical business :-)

S-300 is not difficult at all. Let us not philosophise it, the Americans are giving Israel whatever it wants in order to use it against Iran:
http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=5617

and you are telling me, giving Iran S-300 is difficult?
Iran operated F-14 when you guys have no clue on what to put against it, and successfully operated it during the war and embargo, and you are telling me that the old Mig-31 is too sophisticated for Iran? You see you have not a good understanding of the Iranian capabilities...

As long as you consider Iran "every country with money" you will be on the wrong path, and the Americans just love that.

Russia during an initial phase in the previous years intentionally blocked Iran's membership in SCO,, they even admit it themselves.

If Russia should be focusing on internal affairs, it should then not let its bombers fly all over the world from North Pole to Latin America. You see this Lavrov bullshit is no longer credible. Actually the Iranian officials laugh on this language and considers it more of joke than anything else.

Amercians have a saying that goes like this:
"You either put up some help or you shut up"

I think the Iranians will carefully watch the Russian moves during the coming 1-3 months and will then make and appropriate decision regarding this relationship. The 4th resolution backed by Russia agianst Iran is not a positive sign...

Iran can recognize KOSOVO Independence and give a corridor to NATO forces in

Afghanestan , these are really ez steps

[Numen]

Originally Posted by PERSPOLIS

Iran can recognize KOSOVO Independence and give a corridor to NATO forces in

Afghanestan , these are really ez steps

Good points indeed,
I think the speed of Russian good actions towards Iran (the speed, not purely the intention or good will) will determine Iran's direction in its foreign policy. The dirty tricks used today are of no good for Russia

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iran also can block russian bases in syria and venezuela

since they r iranian ally ...

[Numen]

Originally Posted by PERSPOLIS

iran also can block russian bases in syria and venezuela

since they r iranian ally ...

Good points again,

Syria is an Iran ally and it will trust Iran far more than Russia. So it is time for Russia to wake up and stop its childish cat and mouse foreign policy, maybe it will need a brand new ministry of foreign affairs? One which is capable of moving things forward rather than around.