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Old 09-24-2006, 09:52 AM
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Smoking Gun: Iran Already Nuclear Armed with between 6 and 12 nuclear warheads of 200 kilotons each mounted on cruise missiles with 3000 Km range, launchable from land or air...

by Sean Osborne, Senior Analyst, Military Affairs Expert

19 March 2005: A recent article featured on the Internet news site Debka stated "Iran currently has at least 12 Kh-55 strategic cruise missiles with 3,000km range capable of carrying 200 kiloton nuclear warheads." The article further stated: "Ukrainian prosecutor-General Piskun admitted in Kiev that this "missile technology" from former Soviet nuclear arsenal had "leaked" to Iran in 2001 - albeit without nuclear warheads. He could not explain how sales occurred. Six missiles also reached China."



Jane's Defence: Kh-55 land-attack cruise missile: (13 September 2006). Tehran is believed to have acquired up to 12 Raduga Kh-55 land-attack cruise missiles.

http://www.janes.com/defence/defpicg...20060913.shtml

Based on my research, this is only partially correct. The real story is that Iran purchased a total of six-(6) Kh-55 Granat nuclear-armed cruise missiles from an ethnic Iranian-Afghan arms merchant identified as Sarfraz Haider.
Conveniently, Sarfraz Haider was murdered in Cyprus last year, allegedly by Iranian-paid agents because he knew the truth about the full capability of the stolen Kh-55 cruise missiles. An autopsy revealed that his neck had been broken and his aorta split.


Details of the demise of arms dealer Sarfraz Haider are documented in an article written by Lincoln Wright of the Australian Herald-Sun dated 20 February 2005. Sarfraz Haider lived Australia for some time.

Excerpted from the article:

[quote] Based on documents he had seen in Cyprus, Dr Haider said he had "little doubt" the missiles were tipped with warheads. "What's the use of the missiles without them," Dr Haider said.

The missiles were sold through several companies, including one Cyprus-based company owned by Mr Haider, S.H. Heritage Holding Ltd, and another Iranian firm, Satak Co Ltd. [End quote]

The proverbial cat was let out of the bag by Hryhoriy Omelchenko, a member of the Ukrainian Parliament and who also just happens to be a reserve colonel in the Ukrainian State Secret Services bureau (SBU). He wrote an official letter to newly elected Ukrainian President Yushchenko asking him to pursue a full investigation of the illegal sale of six Kh-55 missiles to Iran, and six Kh-55 missiles to China.

Relevant facts on this matter are contained in an on the internet web site MISSILETHREAT.com, a project of the Claremont Institute, citing an article written by Roman Kupchinsky, an organized crime and terrorism analyst for RFE/RL Online and the editor of "RFE/RL Organized Crime and Terrorism Watch:."


Ukrainian lawmaker Hryhoriy Omelchenko recently wrote a letter to newly elected President Viktor Yushchenko claiming that the government of Yushchenko's predecessor, Leonid Kuchma, in collaboration with members of the military and the state arms company UkrSpetzExport sold some 20 air-launched Kh-55 and Kh-55M cruise missiles, which had the capability to carry nuclear weapons. Of these, six were sent to Iran and six to China, all between 1999 and 2001.

The transfers, if true, would violate various non-proliferation agreements. Kuchma's government is also believed to have sold advanced radar systems to Iraq in 2002, despite UN sanctions to the contrary. An American embassy spokesman in Kiev was quoted by the Associated Press as saying that the United States was "aware of the reports" of such sales and took them "very seriously."

The Kh-55 cruise missile has a range of 3,000 kilometers, is capable of carrying a 200-kiloton nuclear warhead, and was developed for use on Russian Tupolev long-range bombers. In June 2004, Russia tested an air-launched Kh-55 which may well have been the Kh-55.

Based on my extensive research into this matter, it would appear that the Iranians could strike any target within a radius approximately equal to the distance between Tehran and Athens, Greece. This clearly puts all US CENTCOM and Israeli fixed-position, strategic military targets within the range of these weapons. Today.


Addendum - excerpted from Jane's Intelligence Digest: "There is no doubt that the sale of the missiles to Iran and China could only have taken place with the knowledge and cooperation of senior Ukrainian officials... there is ... mounting evidence to suggest that the sale of missiles to Iran was undertaken with the assistance of the Russian security services."

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/iran.htm#smoke
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Old 09-24-2006, 02:33 PM
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Yes brother, Ukraine helps Iran anyway we can.
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Good thing the missiles didn't have nuclear weapons on them when hey were sold.
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Good thing the missiles didn't have nuclear weapons on them when hey were sold.
This is true, but these missiles will give Iran a deep-strike capability.
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Good thing the missiles didn't have nuclear weapons on them when hey were sold.
...according to the now defunct arms dealer Sarfraz Haider who was behind the transaction...

Based on my research, this is only partially correct. The real story is that Iran purchased a total of six-(6) Kh-55 Granat nuclear-armed cruise missiles from an ethnic Iranian-Afghan arms merchant identified as Sarfraz Haider.

Conveniently, Sarfraz Haider was murdered in Cyprus last year, allegedly by Iranian-paid agents because he knew the truth about the full capability of the stolen Kh-55 cruise missiles. An autopsy revealed that his neck had been broken and his aorta split.

Details of the demise of arms dealer Sarfraz Haider are documented in an article written by Lincoln Wright of the Australian Herald-Sun dated 20 February 2005. Sarfraz Haider lived Australia for some time.

Excerpted from the article:

[quote] Based on documents he had seen in Cyprus, Dr Haider said he had "little doubt" the missiles were tipped with warheads. "What's the use of the missiles without them," Dr Haider said.

The missiles were sold through several companies, including one Cyprus-based company owned by Mr Haider, S.H. Heritage Holding Ltd, and another Iranian firm, Satak Co Ltd. [End quote]

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I like the way you write your posts Zionix, you make them very interesting and easy to read However, I still doubt the missiles were nuclear armed, as Ukraine has accounted for all of it's nuclear weapons.

Iran and China both bought them, IRC China bought 6 and Iran bought twelve, Iran is waiting till they have nuclear weapons to threaten Israel and China wants to copy the design
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Missing Nukes?

Does Pakistan know how many Nukes it created under corrupt Abdul Qadeer Khan?


It is a rampant rumor in South Asia that Pakistan created many more nukes than it currently has in its stockpile! Where are these nukes after all?

The man at the head of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, Abdul Qadeer Khan, reportedly has confessed to transferring nuclear technology to Libya, Iran and North Korea.

Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, widely proclaimed as the "Father of Pakistan's atomic bomb," stands in the access tunnel inside the Chagai Hills nuclear test site before Pakistan's 28 May 1998 underground nuclear test.

Is it really technology only? Is it possible he sold nukes to Al-Queda? Yes, says experts.Officials involved in Pakistan's two-month long probe into alleged proliferation say that Abdul Qadeer Khan has "accepted" he was involved in leaking nuclear secrets to underworld groups working for Iran, Libya and North Korea.

It is the first time North Korea has been named in the government's investigation. The unnamed officials told a group of Pakistani reporters late Sunday that Mr. Khan in a written statement has said the proliferation took place between 1989 and 2000. He reportedly said the leaks happened without the knowledge of the government.

Six other people under investigation, including nuclear scientists, are also said to have confessed to leaking nuclear know-how outside Pakistan. Political commentator and columnist Talat Hussain was among the few reporters who attended the briefing. He says the officials told them the National Command Authority will decide whether Mr. Qadeer Khan, a national hero, and the others will be put on trial. "The decision about the fate of A.Q. Khan will be decided by NCA, which is the premier nuclear authority headed by the president of Pakistan," he said.

The probe was begun after the United Nation's International Atomic Energy Agency in November warned Pakistan of possible nuclear leaks. The letter mentioned names of those who might have been involved in transferring nuclear technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea for personal profit. President Musharraf is expected to address the nation soon after the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha, which began Monday, to disclose the findings of the probe. Mr. Qadeer Khan, known as the father of Pakistan's nuclear weapons development program, could not be reached for comment.

His house in Islamabad is under 24-hour watch and his security has been increased since he was fired as a government adviser on Saturday. Details of his large personal fortune and expensive lifestyle have been reported in the Pakistan media in the past several days. Opposition parties and religious leaders have condemned the investigation of Mr. Qadeer Khan, and have called for a day of protest on Friday. Some government critics say if nuclear secrets were traded, Mr. Qadeer Khan was acting at the behest of the Pakistani military, which was desperate to develop a nuclear bomb. They insist the investigation must be expanded to include senior military and intelligence officials, who may have known about Mr. Qadeer Khan's dealings abroad.

The government officials said two former heads of Pakistan's military were questioned but denied having approved trading nuclear secrets. Mr. Hussain says it is "inconceivable" that sensitive nuclear technology was transferred without the knowledge of top military officials in Pakistan. "The issue, however, is that what was the loophole in the system that allowed Dr. A.Q. Khan to actually carry out this operation not just with on country but three countries, not just for a year but a period stretching over 11 years?

That will become a big political issue in Pakistan in the coming days," said Mr. Hussain. But Mr. Hussain says officials told them they do not intend to widen the investigation because they have gotten what they say is the whole gang.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/09-21e-04.asp
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After a certain amount of time, nuclear weapons don't work so you need to keep changing the warhead. When did this happen? Hopefully Iran doesn't start nuclear war I.
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After a certain amount of time, nuclear weapons don't work so you need to keep changing the warhead. When did this happen? Hopefully Iran doesn't start nuclear war I.
Well judging by some posts on here a lot of numb nuts who post on here want to see a nuclear war. Why so many want to see their lives cut short is totally beyond me. Instead of researching the latest war winning wonder weapon they should spend some time looking at the potential aftermath of a nuclear war. Then come back and say they welcome that outcome.
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I like the way you write your posts Zionix, you make them very interesting and easy to read However, I still doubt the missiles were nuclear armed, as Ukraine has accounted for all of it's nuclear weapons.

Iran and China both bought them, IRC China bought 6 and Iran bought twelve, Iran is waiting till they have nuclear weapons to threaten Israel and China wants to copy the design
...for this kind compliment...

I do try to make the posts more lively and easy to read, taking advantage of the user-friendliness of this Website's format...

Why would the arm dealer, Mr Haider, be killed, if it wasn't to stop him from saying the 6 missiles had nuclear warheads and who killed him?


His death seems to argue in favor of nukes equipped missiles.

Why hush it and who benefits?

+ If disclosed, the US would lose a good pretext: If Iran already has Nukes, like Pakistan and India, there is no longer the necessity for the US of attacking Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear capability, because it's way TOO LATE...

+ On the other hand, Iran didn't want to compromise its good relationship with Ukraine, as a steady weapons supplier, so it may well have had good reasons to dispose of the talkative dealer, too...

Perhaps if we could call the Spirit of Mr Haider in a Seance, we would find out...
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Does Pakistan know how many Nukes it created under corrupt Abdul Qadeer Khan?




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Zionix watch your flithy mouth, Abdul Qadeer is father of pakistan nuclear programme therefore he is father of nation,he give muslim country pakistan first and only nuclear weapon, he is pakistan hero and if it wasnt for him iran would still be decades away from making the bomb how dare you call him corrupt, we dont keep weapons for show we know how to use them on people like you, so STFU!
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Honestly, who knows if they had nukes on them? They could have gotten them somewhere else to. These arms dealers could have gotten Russian nukes and put them on it.
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Zionix watch your flithy mouth, Abdul Qadeer is father of pakistan nuclear programme therefore he is father of nation,he give muslim country pakistan first and only nuclear weapon, he is pakistan hero and if it wasnt for him iran would still be decades away from making the bomb how dare you call him corrupt, we dont keep weapons for show we know how to use them on people like you, so STFU!
...that I posted, so perhaps that explain why there wasn't much love in it for Abdul Qadeer, your hero...

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/09-21e-04.asp

Personally, I kind of like the gentleman, as he has helped even out the odds of Pakistan versus India and has probably prevented an attack on North Korea by helping it develop a nuclear deterrent...

PS: You may want to read the Website's rule and edit your post before you get a warning, or worse. I'd like to continue getting the views of a Pakistani, hopefully in a more conciliatory tone, particularly regarding a potential government takeover by hardline Islamists ..
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...that I posted, so perhaps that explain why there wasn't much love for Abdul Qadeer, your hero...

Personally, I kind of like the gentleman, as he has helped even out the odds of Pakistan versus India and has probably prevented an attack on North Korea by helping it develop a nuclear deterrent...

PS: You may want to read the Website's rule and edit your post before you get a warning, or worse. I'd like to continue getting the views of a Pakistani, particularly regarding a potential government takeover by hardline Islamists ..
i thought you did make that statment and was your words i didnt know it was from post


and what is this hardline islamist your talking about, pakistan people support musharaf, thats why he is in power, he did only good for pakistan, look at economy, theres 160 million in pakistan theres bound to be some that dont agree just like in every country
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Interesting to hear this. Last time I was in Kiev, I felt a strong resentment by locals for Iranians. Is it so, or am I mistaken ?
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