Iran's Assymetric Warfare Weaponry: Deadly Rocket Mines EM-52...

[Zionix]

...and much more. This discussion thread will review all the weaponry designed for assymetrical warfare that make Iran a formidable Defensive Foe...



The EM52 (also known as T-1) is a submarine-laid fast-rising rocket-propelled bottom mine. It is laid in the sea bottom and will rise to surface with its rocket propulsion.

Weight: 950~970kg
Warhead: 300~320kg
Mine depth: 5~200m
Single-hit probability: 80%

One mine that has long caused some concern is the Chinese EM-52 rocket-propelled fast-rising mine. When the mine detects its target, it fires a missile with a large warhead. Such mines are designed to severely damage or sink large warships like aircraft carriers.

The EM-52 rising mines are part of a 3,000-weapon stockpile of anti-ship mines. This purchase is significant because, unlike most other mines, the EM-52 is operational in deep water such as the Persian Gulf. When the hull of a ship passes over the device the mine is triggered and a rocket is fired at the hull. Placed in choke points such as the Strait of Hormuz, this acoustically activated remote controlled device could be devastating.


JJ/TL-6A/B: This is another Chinese-designed missile now believed to be made in Iran. The optically guided version could be used by Hezbollah for precision strikes in Northern Israel. Credit: RD Fisher


Iran’s new anti-radar drone: Shows a similarity to the Israeli Harpy anti-radar UAV. Hezbollah could use such a weapon to directly attack Israel’s information-technology dependent military forces. Credit: Internet Sources

http://www.strategycenter.net/resear...pub_detail.asp

More details coming up on these interesting and hardly ever mentioned developments, such as the Kolchuga, an antenna device that passively detect stealth planes 800 Km away...

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=4474

[4X-IL]

Shame that Israel operates the Harpy for more than 30 years doesn't it?

The Israeli Harpy that we all know that Israel started to use in the 70's and was published in the 80's is not the Harpy that we have now.

besides that, Israel already have UCAV's that launch pin points rockets, Harpy will only be usefull in a real war.

Hizballah already tried to use Suicider UAV's on Israel last month, one of them got out of control and fell to the sea near Lebanon, and one was shot down by the Israeli air force.
Those UAV's was much smaller than this one, why would this one succeed when the others failed?

Originally Posted by 4X-IL

Shame that Israel operates the Harpy for more than 30 years doesn't it?

The Israeli Harpy that we all know that Israel started to use in the 70's and was published in the 80's is not the Harpy that we have now.

besides that, Israel already have UCAV's that launch pin points rockets, Harpy will only be usefull in a real war.

Hizballah already tried to use Suicider UAV's on Israel last month, one of them got out of control and fell to the sea near Lebanon, and one was shot down by the Israeli air force.
Those UAV's was much smaller than this one, why would this one succeed when the others failed?

And according to various sources none of them were equipped with explosives and 1 of them was already 80km inside Israel when it got shot down.

[4X-IL]

Originally Posted by DehdaR

And according to various sources none of them were equipped with explosives and 1 of them was already 80km inside Israel when it got shot down.

according to various sources?

What's the point sending a unarmed UAV near the sea where there's nothing to spy at?

The Israeli air force showed the video from the shut down, which was few km's after Rosh Hanikra ( 5 +- km's from the border ) at a very high altitude. If it was on its way to a fast attack on the border it would've been shut down long ago since the lower the easier.
since it was in about 30,000 ft only specific missiles can take it down. it crashed about 7km's from the border, near a forest.
The IDF showed whatever left from it.
People also told the media that they saw the smoke in the air when it was hit, and said where it was.
It was very close to the border, not even 10km away, not to mentioun 80.

Who are those " sources " that can probably know wether it was armed or not?

[Zionix]

Hizballah UAV's have made several reconnaissance trips deep into Israel to photograph its defences and spy on its secret activities. Here is the tale of 2 of these flights:

+ Israel's top-secret military air traffic control centre discovered in Miron



The long-range Iranian-made missiles which later exploded on Haifa had been preceded only a few weeks ago by a pilotless Hizbollah drone aircraft which surveyed northern Israel and then returned to land in eastern Lebanon after taking photographs during its flight. These pictures not only suggested a flight path for Hizbollah's rockets to Haifa; they also identified Israel's top-secret military air traffic control centre in Miron.

The next attack - concealed by Israel's censors - was directed at this facility. Codenamed "Apollo", Israeli military scientists work deep inside mountain caves and bunkers at Miron, guarded by watchtowers, guard-dogs and barbed wire, watching all air traffic moving in and out of Beirut, Damascus, Amman and other Arab cities. The mountain is surmounted by clusters of antennae which Hizbollah quickly identified as a military tracking centre. Before they fired rockets at Haifa, they therefore sent a cluster of missiles towards Miron. The caves are untouchable but the targeting of such a secret location by Hizbollah deeply shocked Israel's military planners. The "centre of world terror" - or whatever they imagine Lebanon to be - could not only breach their frontier and capture their soldiers but attack the nerve-centre of the Israeli northern military command.

http://www.truthbox.org/index.php?op...id=55&Itemid=2

+ Riddle of Hizballah Drone’s Non-Interception Brought Foreign Submarine to Israeli Waters...


"Mirsad 1" UAV

DEBKAfile Special Report November 16, 2004

A mystery-submarine’s intrusion into Israeli territorial waters last week provided the sequel for another unfinished tale: the one about Israel’s failure to intercept a Hizballah drone that flew over the northern Israeli town of Nahariya on November 8.

Examination of the images the drone MIrsad-1 carried back to its senders, as shown four days later by Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah over al Manar television Friday, November 12, raises serious questions in the minds of DEBKAfile’s military sources.

For unknown reasons, the Patriot anti-missile missile battery normally posted in western Galilee to monitor Israel-Lebanese border airspace had been removed on that particular day. Deployed there was only an improved Hawk missile battery. The Patriot’s radar would have spotted the Hizballah drone and transmitted the information early enough for it to be downed. Because the Hawk’s radar is incapable of picking up a small flying object, the little invader-craft had at least 12 minutes for leisurely surveillance without fear of being shot down by Israel’s anti-air defenses or air force.

Did the Iranian Revolutionary Guards deployed with Hizballah in south Lebanon, who launched the unmanned aerial vehicle, strike lucky? Or did they know that the Patriot had been removed? If the latter, did they find out about the missing Patriot from cross-border observation or from a tipster on the Israeli side?

That is not the only mystery. The images Nasrallah showed over TV, which he claimed were taken by the November 8 overflight of Mirsad-1 SHOWED A PATRIOT BATTERY PRESENT.

The alternative explanations for this odd fact are of prime intelligence significance.

1. Were the pictures taken by UAVs which entered Israeli skies undetected on dates prior to November 8? If so, the Patriot radar which was present would seem to be as ineffective as the Hawk system’s, or -

2. Did the Iranians or the Hizballah obtain the televised photos from another source, possibly even a private satellite company? Such a firm may also have tipped them off on the date of the Patriot’s removal from western Galilee. If so, such a commercial satellite firm would be guilty of engaging in espionage.

3. Or maybe the information came from a Hizballah spy resident in the district.

Two days after the drone incident, on November 10, the Israeli navy sighted a foreign submarine which had intruded 3 miles into Israel’s territorial waters opposite the border town of Rosh Hanikra, just north of Nahariya. It vanished as soon as it was detected.

DEBKAfile’s military sources point out that the eastern Mediterranean is teeming with submarines. Several times a month, one or more may stray into Israeli waters, but as soon as they discover their error, they turn tail. In the incident of November 10, the intruder made haste to submerge and sail away before Israeli warships appeared on the scene.

It is far more likely that the unidentified sub was Western and came close to the Israeli coast to find out what caused the failure of Israel’s early warning systems to catch the flying invader two days earlier and see if Israel had plugged the hole in its radar. The sub would also have been instructed to see if the Patriot battery had been repositioned - or perhaps different kinds of electronic tracking and interception devices. After collecting some answers, the sub headed out.

In the early 1990s, the Iranians procured advanced remote-controlled model airplanes for the study of UAV technology. It was not an auspicious start: all of the tests conducted in the first three years of the program failed. But last year, Iran bought lightweight engines made in Japan, Germany and even the United States for its UAVS. It has built three types of drones and most were tested successfully, although the Mirsad-1 was the only one tried in field conditions.

The al-Mirsad-2 was built for naval photography. It has been tested twice, both times taking photographs of US warships in the Persian Gulf. The Americans shot at a slow-flying Iranian UAV- but missed. Iran’s third drone, whose name is unknown in the West, is to be used for long-range reconnaissance flights. It is not yet operational.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=939

Originally Posted by 4X-IL

Shame that Israel operates the Harpy for more than 30 years doesn't it?

The Israeli Harpy that we all know that Israel started to use in the 70's and was published in the 80's is not the Harpy that we have now.

besides that, Israel already have UCAV's that launch pin points rockets, Harpy will only be usefull in a real war.

China got her hands on the latest Harpy and gave the technology to Iran. Thats why the US freaked over Israel foreign weapon sales along with the AWACS they gave them.

[4X-IL]

Zionix you only show how ignorant you are.

Bringing articles from 2 years ago, of a single time a Hizballah drone managed to get here, is just beeing stupid.

In 2004 alone, after this first incident, the IAF placed the best defence systems it could bring to the north, and few weeks after that a Hizballah drone was intrecepted 1 km inside Israel.

in the beginning of 2005, another one tried to enter Israel, and was intrecepted as well.

In the last war, 2 drones tried to enter, one fell because Iranian UAV's suck, the other one was intrecepted inside Israel.
1:5 is not that good ratio don't you think? considering the fact that the only one that succeeded was the first one.

Pylyp,
There's no " Technology " in the Harpy in our days.
The Harpy Israel gave to China is the first design of the Harpy, made in the beginning of the 70's.
It does not considered as Technology of any kind, nothing Iran doesn't have long time ago, nor China.

Israel didn't gave China the technology, or a license, Israel just sold China specific amounts of Harpy's.

[4X-IL]

BTW

The UAV in the picture seems to me like the Israeli Heron,



And not like an Iranian UAV. ( Mirsad? )

[Zionix]

Originally Posted by 4X-IL

Zionix you only show how ignorant you are.

Bringing articles from 2 years ago, of a single time a Hizballah drone managed to get here, is just beeing stupid.

as I have added some more information to get you foaming at the mouth...

Hizballah has been spying over Zion for a long time: you just didn't know...


Btw, what a defeat for the IDF: militarily and in the World's opinion. All my friends who felt some sympathy for Zion now hate Israel hoping to see it desintegrate one way or another and have become strong supporters of the Palestinian cause

Multiply that feeling by some 6 BILLION people worldwide and you have made a lot of enemies...

[4X-IL]

Originally Posted by Zionix

as I have added some more information to get you foaming at the mouth...

Hizballah has been spying over Zion for a long time: you just didn't know...


Btw, what a defeat for the IDF: militarily and in the World's opinion. All my friends who felt some sympathy for Zion now hate Israel hoping to see it desintegrate one way or another and have become strong supporters the Palestinian cause

Multiply that feeling by some 6 BILLION people worldwide and you have made a lot of enemies...

Why wont you proove it?


Second part of your posts -

Never thought there're still people here who can get to such low levels.

Do you think Israelis actually give a damn about people like you and their friends opinion? you know there're a lot of people saying that Jews saying all the time that we're better than everyone?

Well, I'm glad to say that in your case everyone, Jews Cristians Muslims, can all say that.
Cause you are purely pathetic.

Originally Posted by Zionix

as I have added some more information to get you foaming at the mouth...

Hizballah has been spying over Zion for a long time: you just didn't know...


Btw, what a defeat for the IDF: militarily and in the World's opinion. All my friends who felt some sympathy for Zion now hate Israel hoping to see it desintegrate one way or another and have become strong supporters the Palestinian cause

Multiply that feeling by some 6 BILLION people worldwide and you have made a lot of enemies...

The peace will never grow with those kind of feelings.

Originally Posted by 4X-IL

Why wont you proove it?


Second part of your posts -

Never thought there're still people here who can get to such low levels.

Do you think Israelis actually give a damn about people like you and their friends opinion? you know there're a lot of people saying that Jews saying all the time that we're better than everyone?

Well, I'm glad to say that in your case everyone, Jews Cristians Muslims, can all say that.
Cause you are purely pathetic.

He does a better job of backing himself up than anyone on here.

I don't see you offering any support for your arguments.

You know Hezbollah won the PR war. They made Israel look like savages.

Originally Posted by Pylyp Orlyk

He does a better job of backing himself up than anyone on here.

I don't see you offering any support for your arguments.

You know Hezbollah won the PR war. They made Israel look like savages.

I agree with you, Zionix knows how to explain what he thinks very well, and he has very good arguments. But many Yankees and Zionists only know trolling around.

[4X-IL]

I saw 2 sites claiming all sortes of things about explosions occoured in Israel top secret base, blah blah blah blah.

But 1 thing I didn't saw, PROOF.

[4X-IL]

Still no one seems able to answer me.

You claim stuff, You bring sites that claim absoloutley ridicolous stuff, but still, I havn't saw a single proof supporting your claims.
Some picture of the destroyed TOP SECRET Israeli base that was destroyed? Some pictures that the UAV took while the flight? something? something AT ALL?